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talkingsoup) wrote2008-02-13 03:28 pm
talkingsoup) wrote2008-02-13 03:28 pm
Internets 2 Srs For Me
You know, I would really, really like to be able to post some of my writing--none of the big stuff, but backstory stuff, drabbles, that kind of thing--on a place like DA. Not because I'm a whore for comments or what-the-fuck-ever, but because, I dunno, I want to know what people think. I love characters; I love my characters; I know other people like characters as much as I do. I love seeing people's original characters wandering around their galleries. I just think it would be nice to have that as well.
But dear God! I never knew places like DA were so fucking dramatic! DA used to be awesome and filled with awesome art and such, but now it's nothing but flame wars, personal attacks, fanart of the same damn shit over and over, and "OMG SRS BIZNIS!" When the hell did places like DA get this pathetic? People are leaving there in droves or going invisible because people are such assholes. If you post something that someone doesn't like, it's like a given that you'll be flamed.
I mean, at least if you write and publish a book, it's out there and you get people talking about it on forums, reviewing it on Amazon and such. Stuff like that is usually pretty easily avoided, to some degree, and of course you just learn to develop a thick skin over time. But posting something in a gallery? It's right there where you are, and when people like or dislike it, you hear about it immediately. It's the equivalent of writing a book and putting your home address and phone number on the cover.
I feel so bad for the poor artists and writers who post things on large sites like DA and then get run out of town with pitchforks shaped like lolcats or whatever! Whatever happened to "don't like it, don't read/view it?" Or was that ever the standard?
I feel like an old person for saying it, but whatever happened to common courtesy?
And don't even get me started on the art/writing theft. God! It's getting to the point where I'm almost afraid to post excerpts here under friends-lock for fear some little shit will find it and try to pass it off as their own or something. Admittedly, the only people who really know me online are RL friends, but I've been paranoid and self-conscious about my writing for my entire life. I would be devastated if I found Boone or Kaz or Violin or Kaiyss on someone else's site. That's a part of myself they'd be stealing!
And I do mean devastated. Like, "my boyfriend of 5 years broke up with me and I'm going to spend a month in bed now, kthxbye" devastated. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. How do you fight art/writing thieves, anyway? It's not like I understand copyright laws.
The theft thing was my main deterrent for posting anything online for the longest time (it's why anything that's writing related and specific to one of my projects goes under friend-lock). Now, recently, I'd been thinking I might give something like DA a try, but no! Everyone's too fucking immature and pathetic!
And on the flipside, dear god, what if I got the yaoi fanbrats slavering over E and Kail and being all "OMG BUTTSECKS KAWAII!"? What if I had people shipping characters who just shouldn't be shipped? Imagine the Kaz/Aidan shippers, since everyone's so into enemy!hate!sex these days. Christ!
If I ever get popular enough that kind of thing might happen anyway, but I just really don't want to see that kind of stuff when my babies are still learning to walk.
I'm not so arrogant to think if I did have a gallery or some shit that people would actually stop by to check it out. But still.
I love wank, don't get me wrong. Particularly fandom wank, because it's usually just so goddamn stupid that it's hilarious to watch. It's an entirely different matter when you've got personal attacks on someone's work going on. That's another beast entirely, one that should be put down.
So, thanks a lot, Internets. Way to completely discourage me from ever trusting people online with anything.
But dear God! I never knew places like DA were so fucking dramatic! DA used to be awesome and filled with awesome art and such, but now it's nothing but flame wars, personal attacks, fanart of the same damn shit over and over, and "OMG SRS BIZNIS!" When the hell did places like DA get this pathetic? People are leaving there in droves or going invisible because people are such assholes. If you post something that someone doesn't like, it's like a given that you'll be flamed.
I mean, at least if you write and publish a book, it's out there and you get people talking about it on forums, reviewing it on Amazon and such. Stuff like that is usually pretty easily avoided, to some degree, and of course you just learn to develop a thick skin over time. But posting something in a gallery? It's right there where you are, and when people like or dislike it, you hear about it immediately. It's the equivalent of writing a book and putting your home address and phone number on the cover.
I feel so bad for the poor artists and writers who post things on large sites like DA and then get run out of town with pitchforks shaped like lolcats or whatever! Whatever happened to "don't like it, don't read/view it?" Or was that ever the standard?
I feel like an old person for saying it, but whatever happened to common courtesy?
And don't even get me started on the art/writing theft. God! It's getting to the point where I'm almost afraid to post excerpts here under friends-lock for fear some little shit will find it and try to pass it off as their own or something. Admittedly, the only people who really know me online are RL friends, but I've been paranoid and self-conscious about my writing for my entire life. I would be devastated if I found Boone or Kaz or Violin or Kaiyss on someone else's site. That's a part of myself they'd be stealing!
And I do mean devastated. Like, "my boyfriend of 5 years broke up with me and I'm going to spend a month in bed now, kthxbye" devastated. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. How do you fight art/writing thieves, anyway? It's not like I understand copyright laws.
The theft thing was my main deterrent for posting anything online for the longest time (it's why anything that's writing related and specific to one of my projects goes under friend-lock). Now, recently, I'd been thinking I might give something like DA a try, but no! Everyone's too fucking immature and pathetic!
And on the flipside, dear god, what if I got the yaoi fanbrats slavering over E and Kail and being all "OMG BUTTSECKS KAWAII!"? What if I had people shipping characters who just shouldn't be shipped? Imagine the Kaz/Aidan shippers, since everyone's so into enemy!hate!sex these days. Christ!
If I ever get popular enough that kind of thing might happen anyway, but I just really don't want to see that kind of stuff when my babies are still learning to walk.
I'm not so arrogant to think if I did have a gallery or some shit that people would actually stop by to check it out. But still.
I love wank, don't get me wrong. Particularly fandom wank, because it's usually just so goddamn stupid that it's hilarious to watch. It's an entirely different matter when you've got personal attacks on someone's work going on. That's another beast entirely, one that should be put down.
So, thanks a lot, Internets. Way to completely discourage me from ever trusting people online with anything.
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Yeah, the Internets can be merciless to the creative. Still, posting things online can help you develop a fanbase. Sometimes you have to put a little at risk to get anywhere. You don't have to go through DA (and after what you say, you probably shouldn't), but I'm sure there are other communities you could join to get some respectful criticism and perhaps attract a few fans.
As for copyrights, I'm not sure how you go about that if it's published online. Might be worth looking into.
And as for psycho-shippers... There's really nothing that can be done about them. If there was, something would have been done about it years ago.
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I mean, I might think of trying Fictionpress. See, I used DA as an example because I have an account there and I'd like to, you know, use it. But I don't want to if I have to deal with piles and piles of bullshit all the time.
Yeah see, the laws for stuff published online are so obscure and ambiguous, plus they change all the time. It's like impossible to learn what's what without knowing the freaking lawbooks.
Haha, I mean, I do kind of want to have psycho-shippers some day--when I'm an established author, you know? It's kind of like...once your kids grow up and leave the house, you don't love them any less, but they're responsible for themselves, you know?
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What's Fictionpress like?
Good point. Then again, lots of writers post stuff online and don't have to worry about plagiarism. I dunno.
So you see psycho-shipping as when your kids go to college and start doing drugs and having lots of promiscuous sex? That actually makes a lot of sense, lol.
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Fictionpress, I'm pretty sure, is the non-fanfic version of FF.net.
Yeah. I might as well just research it. Tammy might know.
Hahaha, kinda, yeah. Also, though, I think when I said that about psycho-shippers, I meant people who would ignore canon just to put two people in bed together. I guess it's about respect for canon. I'd love to see people shipping totally random people in my canon, as long as they were IC about it, I guess. Or breaking up established pairings. I dunno. It's sorta like, "it'd be awesome, but at the same time..."
It'd be nice to be popular enough that people really are doing pairings and such :)
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Cool, cool. How's the FF.net community?
She might. You'll be seeing her this weekend, right? That's good timing.
Can't avoid those people either, but eh. No big.
One day, we shall see. :)
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We call it the Pit of Voles.
Yeah. I think I'll ask her then.
Heh, yeah, what can you do, I suppose.
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What kind of interview?
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It's pretty much about why you decided to go to college.
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